Ken's bar stool

One might ask why have a "Bar Stool" on a Drag Racing web site. I guess the response to that is .... "just because you can". The bar stool was built in 1981 in Cincinnati. I had been collecting parts for the project for several years when one Friday night at the shop after work we were having a "bullshit" session. One thing led to another and we started cutting tubing. Now what you see here is not the original plan. Having build several "concept" vehicles over the years I wanted to construct something that could be used as pit transportation. At that point in history most people had mini bikes and most of us know their short comings. I originally considered a 4 wheel mini bike type of vehicle, something that would not fall over when you got off the bike. The lower main rails are an idea from a race go kart and the original idea was just to run them all the way around and up to the seat. While we were cutting and fitting some tubing we stopped and had dinner. Pizza from across the road at La Rosa's. I sat down on the shop stool to eat mine and while I was eating some one said "Too bad you cant put wheels on that stool". After some consideration the stool idea became a plan. The shop stool was a four leg stool and as such the legs by the front wheels would inhibit the turning radius or make the wheel base longer and less compact. The idea of a three leg stool was hatched. By the end of the night the stool was being pushed around the parking lot and much to the amazement of everyone this thing handled pretty good.

The bar stool has been to every major race track in the US when it was being used by myself or friends. We don't take it any more because the bar stool draws a lot of attention and causes a distraction to us. We have had 20 people taking photos of it while we were trying to work on the race car. It was just too much of a distraction.

Note: The trailer hitch for pulling with. For many years this was used to pull the go kart tool box into the race track. Now the hitch has been removed and a wheel installed there to limit the wheelstands to about 5" high. (good idea) To give you an idea of how much "grunt" it has I hooked a tow rope to it and pulled my truck around a outside the work shop. We have used it to pull the race car around as well.

1 1/8" tubing .060 wall - about 12 feet
Outside front width 24"
Outside rear width 26"
Distance from the seat to the ground 24"

Power - Standard Briggs 5 hp with a torque drive.
Gear ratio - 9 tooth top to 79 tooth axle.

Steering wheel - Enduro kart butterfly wheel. The butterfly wheel is a advantage because it lets the driver lean over to put more weight on the front under hard acceleration.
(You need it).

Steering has 20 degrees castor. Camber was set by the standard go kart spindles. I think it is 10-15 camber.

Brakes - Standard go kart hydraulics - we have a set of front brakes to put on it but gave it a lot of thought and decided it was not a good idea. There is a difference between brave and stupid.

Rear axle bearings - 1 1/4" spherical bearings available from any kart shop or bearing supply house.

Rear axle is 24" long 1 1/4" heavy wall tubing with 1/4" keyways for the hubs and the brakes and drive sprocket hub. You could use 1" solid bar instead. If you do be sure to use stress relived steel as the bar will bend when you cut the slot in it for the keyways if the steel is not stress relived.

Top speed - I don't know but I think about 40 mph. When asked I often reply "It will go faster than you want to be on top of it".

You will be surprised how much traction the bar stool will get. It will go up a hill on wet grass with slicks!!!

I used to let anyone ride the Bar Stool but in the US in 1991 I let a girl ride it and she hopped on it and even with all my warnings just stood on the throttle and tore out down the parking lot and tried to make the turn at full speed. She tagged a curb and her and the Bar Stool cleared the hood of a Chevy pickup truck and landed in the grass. Both her and the Bar Stool were OK but when we rushed to see if she was OK her first comment was "That thing is dangerous, your lucky you have not been sued". After that I put it away and no one else ever rode it in the US.

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We came up with a set of rules to race them with... if you wanted to.

Pro Bar Stool (PBS) and Sportsman Bar Stool (SBS) only differ by the wheele bar.
The Pro Stool runs without a wheele bar and the Sportsman uses a wheele bar.

24" outside front track wheels
26" outside rear track wheels
24" wheel base
Line the up and turn them loose!! Straight line track should be about 100 foot.
Drag race them or race an oval.... I would seriously suggest dirt as pavement hurts like hell when you fall off. You'll be surprised by how much you can throw the back end out on dirt.

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Update .... Sometimes you just don't know where thing will lead. Yesterday 17 Nov 2001, I got an email from a guy named "Dean", he did not leave his last name but the email goes as follows.

Hey Ken,
I E-mailed you back a few months ago requesting permission to create a link to your site. Thanks again for the OK. If you haven't visited yet we have created a shroud in your name as "Father of the motorized Bar Stool" Just in case your not aware there are Lot's of motorized stools out there today. (My best assessment is in excess of 500)
Turbo Charged, Jet Powered, Electric, Steam, Solar Powered, Harley V twin powered.........and on and on. I have pictures of all of these and more. Please visit.
your contributions and photos are always welcome. Thanks again for the grins.
http://www.barstoolracing.net Dean

I had a look at the site (impressive) and looked up the land speed record info for bar stools with the records being posted to the Guinness World Book or Records (serious) and again I was impressed. This looks like way too much fun. This may be the only race vehicle you could put in your luggage when you get on the airplane. I might just have to have a 'go' at this deal.

Looks like I need to dig out some more photos of the 'stool' and maybe shoot some more digital ones soon. I hope I have the photos posted when you come back for a visit.

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Another bar stool story - true.
The wildest time we ever had on it was one night in Cincinnati I had a bunch of Aussie friends over and we were out to dinner and more than a few drinks. (Bad combination) One of the Aussies said "Tell them about the bar stool." So I did and they wanted to know more. After dinner (and a few more drinks) we stopped by the workshop and I pulled it out and started it. Everyone took a ride and we had a lot of fun.

Then I go an idea. I got the secretaries chair out of her office and a tow strap from the workshop and attached it to the back of the bar stool so we could "ski" sitting down behind the bar stool. I had a large parking lot in front of the work shop that ran right up to the road so customers could drive in with no restriction. This parking lot connected to the road for over 300 feet. How we are outside in the dark towing each other with the bar stool while sitting in the office chair. Centrifugal force during the turns almost put the "ski chair" into oncoming traffic a few times . I can only imagine what the sober drivers must have thought while they were driving by on their way home. This was good fun stuff. We had a blast that night and no one was killed. Why or how, I don't know.

The next day the secretary wanted to know why the wheels on her chair were killed. At first I tried to convince her that she must have done it. She was a slender and pretty girl and would not buy into that one. I had a policy (sexist I know - so shoot me) about secretaries - for the same amount of money you can have a pretty one.

Almost as good as when we taped a flashlight to the butterfly steering wheel in an attempt to set a down hill land speed record at night coming down the hill on the same road. It was about 1:00am as I recall and again ethanol and methanol were combined for a bad mix. (Chuckle again) I've had 40 people all ask me if I would sell it to them and maybe I should have but I enjoy just looking at it and remembering how much fun we had on it. Sometimes there are things more important than money.

May 1981 I'm only 33 years young here. Leaning way over the wheel to counterbalance the engine torque, the bar stool easily picks the front wheels and carries them as far as you want. I have won three kart championships and used the technology to "tune up" the stock looking engine. The barstool was built with tabs on the back of the seat to attach wheele bars to but a set was never made. After you fell off a few times you soon worked out that this is something you do not want to do so you get pretty good at not falling off.

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My Chaparral in the back ground is the one I purchased new in 1978. I still have it and use it almost every weekend. Currently we are giving the trailer a bit of a love up, this will the third freshen up the trailer has gotten in the last 24 years. You probably worked out by now that I keep things for a while. They do become part of the family don't they. Check out the story of my 65 Chevelle here.

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Ken doing stunt stuff (ha). When the bar stool was first built the brand new personal computer was a Commodore 64 - anyone remember one of those? 64 was the amount of ram wasn't it 64K? Later we got one of those new 4.77mhz 8066 IBM's with a 5 meg hard drive. Wow - If bar stools had grown as much as computers the barstools would be going light speed today.
See the wood boards under the gates? They were to keep my cat Sugar inside the fence. Sugar was born Dec 28 1980 and he too is still going. Today he lives with Mom in Tampa Florida where both of them have retired to. I left him with Mom when I move to Oz as he would have to been quarantined for nine months because there is no rabies here in Oz and they want to keep it that way. Mom is 80 this year and her and Sugar are a pair of geezers who get along just great.

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When it is cold outside what do you do? Build a barstool. You can see where the tire has RR on it from where it was on the go kart. Don't look too close here but the disk rotor is on backwards.
By the way how do you like the 'trendy" wall paper?

The open ends of the back of the chassis were used to install a tow bar hitch to. This was used to pull tool boxes or something useful - like the secretaries chair. A few years ago I made a wheele bar to replace the tow bar and used a skateboard wheel as a wheel for the wheele bar. With the wheele bar it could almost pass as a geezer car - OK not really.

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The front spindles came off a Margay kart but they are pretty easy to make a set with a piece of tubing for the king pin bolt to pass through and a 5/8" bolt welded on to the tubing to mount the wheel to. If you have a lathe handy cut the hex off the bolt before you weld in on so it looks less like a bolt welded to a piece of tubing. The front axle is a piece of 1 1/8" as well and if you do not have a bender then cut and weld to get the drop and the angle to suit the spindles. The chassis is 1 1/8" you can use chrommoly of .058 and up or mild steel of .125" (3mm). See specs above for the front end geometry as it has to be right or the barstool will not handle properly.

Karts use longer axle bolts than necessary to allow the use of spacers to get the wheel offset correct to all the tires to 'bite'. Shims under the spindles allow the spindles to be jacked up and down to get the wheel pressure loading correct. The rear wheel hubs slide in and out for adjustability to also set the rear wheel 'bite'.

Go ahead it only takes about 12 foot of tubing and a little work and you will have a lot of fun.

Let me know how yours turns out. I hope you have fun as I know I am and this year I am 54 years young and having the time of my life.

"Just because you can, doesn't mean that you should."
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By the way, when we raced go karts on dirt, the rules stated "stock appearing engines and open fuel". This makes the engine look like it came off a roto tiller yet they run like a stripped ape. Then we hopped them up with some nitro. We got the percentage up to 70% and the engine was making lots of power and hurting nothing. The kart had so much power it would rooster tail dirt coming off the corner. The problem became the races were 20 laps under green with always a few yellows thrown in for good measure. The rules stated we had to have a "stock appearing" engine and this meant the fuel tank as well. On the 70% the fuel volume was so high we could go about 25 laps before we ran out of fuel in the stock fuel tank. I welded in a couple of fitting in the stock tank near the top on the side of the tank. I attached a mechanical fuel pump to an eccentric on the back axle and used the go kart floor tank to put the extra fuel in. As you were running the axle pump was pumping the fuel from the floor tank back to the engine tank and the top port on the engine tank was draining the excess back to the floor tank thus keeping the engine tank completely full all the time. Unfortunately they disallowed it as they called it "fuel injection". Didn't matter we were having a great time. I wonder if the engine would have lived on 90% - I bet it would.

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On our way to Daytona for the Christmas race. Tim Osgood, Chris Place, and Jan Lowe. I'm taking the picture. When we loaded it was 15 degrees below zero and blowing a gale. The inside of the door frames of our Ford 350 had ice on the inside (with the heater going full blast) until we got through Tennessee. We had a kero heater in the back and the truck was insulated and lined and the back of the truck was warm as toast.

During Christmas week it was cold in Florida as well as that year it was only about 45 degrees during the day in Daytona. Hence the heavy jacket under the driving suit.

If you are interested in some of the cars I have raced you can see them if you click here